Does the eradication of racist laws really combat institutionalized racism? How does subtle and sometimes hidden institutionalized racism affect the citizens, economy, and future of Washington state? Abram talks about the history of racism, and how it affects specific groups in our society today. She explores how the painful experiences of Jim Crow laws and slavery might ultimately support the pride and achievements of contemporary generations of African Americans. And she discusses how the invisible divide of racism—fed by both knowledge and ignorance—continues to exist despite progress to eradicate it made in recent decades. Conversation and cooperation can inspire progress and action to defeat that divide, and during this discussion, Abram makes suggestions on how to achieve that goal.